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Anyone posting off topic from here on in this thread is getting warning points. I'm getting really tired of having to babysit every thread in the forums. And Armando/Faki, if you abuse the reputation system I'm going to start banning forum accounts. The reputation system is not meant for self-promotion or for forum wars. Thank you, faki, for being honest however. Any further rep point wars will result in an immediate ban from the forums. There is nothing wrong with this topic. I actually thought it was an interesting question. There are lots of off topic questions elsewhere in the forums. Either participate by answering the question asked in the original post or stop trolling.

Putting this back on topic, I actually think there are several reasons people stay "poor" on the server: You need good items to hunt items. The less good items you have, the less you can hunt. I've been trying to fix this with mini events, like our free 50 hit on ano bazookas. They aren't the world's greatest items, but they are great for helping newer players. Some people can't afford to donate. The game isn't really pay to play, but it's a lot easier to jump ahead with a few donations. And again, once you have good items, it's easy to hunt more. Until you make friends, it's hard to get items. Solo play is rough for hunting until you're "rich." It takes a long time to get rich. Many people don't devote enough hours to do so. A lot of players quit after just a few months or don't actually hunt event items during the events. Miss out on key events, and you stay poor. That being said, people I play with tend to not be "poor." I like to help players when I can. With the right team, it's easy to move ahead in the game. With teamwork, donations really are optional to support the server.

he didn't really tell me to do this edit: i also don't like him

One can also be rich in knowledge and friends. This should not be underestimated.

Like Kajex and Soly said the reason why the rich get richer is because of exponential growth, Just like in the world around us people who are already popular or have any form of money or power have a much easier time getting richer. The poor however who have no power must come up the hard way. The only way to sway this dynamic is your own involvement! Help out new players, give them the essentials. If you have a dark weapon, don't just team with a bunch of other high players, invite a weaker player to come with you. One last thing using words like rich and poor are only possible because of relativity. Without comparing yourself to other people you will never feel poor. Accept that you are just where you are in the game, be comfortable with it and just play! After all its fun no matter whate level you are. I played a long time as a player totally incompetent on ult. I didn't mind at all its fun to just play, obtain items, and learn no matter what speed you play at. Lots of us have played schthack for along time can you imagine going back there after all ultima does for us? Yet it would still be lots of fun because at the end of the day its pso ^^ Also why are people down voting Wilson for this awesome topic?

These next few lines are just my opinion: I disagree with the original statement of Colorado about the definition of rich and poor. In addition that there is no middle class and the overall attitude here. Rich has many forms, it's not the amount of PDs you have, or the gear you get, nor is it satisfaction with gear (there is always better). "Rich" therefore is an arbitrary statement in my opinion. "Rich" is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps a goal to reach. Whatever it is you can't put prices on lots of things (Friends, Certain items, gifts etc..). Poor is also in the same effect an arbitrary statement; most "poor" players are either completely new to the Server/Game or haven't had the opportunity to hunt/make friends/merchant whatever. It's like saying a person who gifted another person a C/Vulcan will not have the same value to that person as a hunted one. So on and so forth. If you take into consideration the definitions put forth by Colorado, then there is a middle class (hence my point for a second disagreement). People long enough in the server to have things, hunted or otherwise. I, for one consider myself to be "middle class" by those given definitions. Overall, it's topics like these that try to further divide the population into Elite or Non-Elite and it has to stop. Even if it wasn't intended which I am sure it was not, readers just get an idea from topic. This is a game, a chance for like-minded individuals to come together to have fun, make friends, kill Boomas and most importantly sit in the lobby and troll for a while. Edit: I didn't notice Kajex's post eariler on about the down voting war. I am not starting anything nor was I asked to do so. I just did not like the way everything was presented etc.

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Congrats to Mylandra on getting Charge Needle.

Lol, nice member title by the way

Mini event has ended! Officially, this mini event will end Sunday, 3/30. After Sunday, there will be no more charge s-ranks. I will be giving away five s-ranks with an unobtainable special: charge! You can choose any s-rank weapon that exists in PSOBB. Your weapon will be named "Charge" and have a charge special. To win, you must provide 99 items. You must also be the first person to collect the 99 items. Once you have obtained a winning stack of items, you must post a picture in this forum for proof (do not send me private messages with proof). If, for example, someone has already claimed prize #1, I will no longer exchange secret tickets for s-ranks. There is only one prize for each type of item found. You can now win as many prizes as you want . Once you have won a prize, you cannot win more charge s-ranks even if you are the first person to collect all required items for another prize. Prize #1 Bring me 99 Secret Tickets before anyone else. These can be found in the quest "Simulator 2.0" Congrats to Mylandra! Charge Needle Prize #2 Bring me 99 photon tickets before anyone else. These can be found in the quest "Gallon's Plan." Congrats to Saith Charge J-Cutter Prize #3 Bring me 44 Magic Stone Iritista's before anyone else. Congrats to Haro! Prize #4 Bring me 99 Star Amplifiers before anyone else. Massblade decided to let faki claim it. Charge Scythe Changed to Charge Needle Prize #5 Bring me 66 Booma Claws (enemy parts, not the weapons) before anyone else. It must be exactly 22 booma, 22 gobooma and 22 gigabooma claws. Congrats to Davell. Prize #6 Bring me 99 hildebears (50 hildebear, 49 hildeblue heads) before anyone else. Congrats to Faki Prize #7 Bring me 30 Del Sabers before anyone else (15 left arms, 15 right arms) Congrats to Chris Prize #8 Bring me 99 Sugary Treats before anyone else (33 Chocolate, 33 Cake, 33 Candy) - Cake: Pioneer Halloween quest, Candy - The Principal's Gift quest, Chocolate - Gallon's Shop Congrats to Nessly Prize #9 Bring me 31 Magic Things before anyone else (15 Magic Rock Moola, 15 Magic Stone Iritista, 1 Magic Water) Congrats to Cyane Prize #10 Bring me 99 Hearts before anyone else (10 heart of kapu kapu, 10 heart of pian, 10 heart of angel, 10 heart of devil, 9 heart of opa opa, 50 pds in the form of 1 magic rock heart key) Congrats to Squish Possible S-ranks to claim: Good Luck!

I'm glad after reading this topic that the current mini event winners are all relatively newer players. It's nice to disprove the theory that only the elite players who have been here forever are the only ones who can win challenging mini events, especially since I made such difficult requirements. I'm sure part of the reason for this is most of the quests to obtain the items can be done by anyone. Booma claws and photon tickets do not require ultimate at all. We're trying to listen to feedback from the community about mini events, and as such I no longer am requiring a huge stash of PDs or expensive rares to win my events.

Well now that we have this thread back on track, it is nice to see opinions of all you guys, but like King Ra said I do think the economy is a little off and maybe that is because people don't like to trade because they fear bugs and stuff that I don't really know but on other games there is a "rich" and a "poor" but I still feel like the divide here is worse since we have so few players. Another thing is there doesn't really seem to be enough trading in the game, which for me is my favorite part

@ kingra: you said "anyone in real life or in this game with money has worked hard for it" I dont agree with this statement. Fortune comes to people sometimes purly out of luck. There are lots of hard working people who make 50 cents an hour. And while we don't have any obligation turn around and share with these people just imagine if you were them.

[off topic]/on Well, first, I will thank's Kajex for his intervention, because like kajex (and many others people) I think this question is interesting and need to have a proper debate. I leaved Schthack due to this bashing company (if you got a problem with someone who are in a team, you are definitively screwed), so, let's try to not become like this ! [off topic]/off Now let's return to the main subject: Since in another server I was considered "rich" (I have got everything [even a lot of items that have 3500+ pds cost, like pioneer mag, before people hack/duplicate them...]), and now, starting a total new account on here (Ultima), take me back to the "poor" situation where I'm so desperate than I'm trying to sell those addslots and Photon crystals.... ╮(•˘︿ ˘• )╭ For sure, it's a normal behavior, you can't become "rich" in 2 days after all ! Like in life, becoming rich take time, unless you come to this game with a friend giving you everything you want (like Paris Hilton IRL).... But then comes the trouble (like yesterday) when events came ! It's simple, a lot of events can be won only by "rich" making them more rich, and "poor" people can't participate knowing it will be a waste of time since they didn't have the stuff do handle this, so rich become more richer and poor become poorer..... Plus, If you include in this equation the fact that you can bought items with real money, you pretty sure that poor are poor, and the only way to escape this is to know the game perfectly, by spending your little time on important things (mag, mag, mag ...) then buying ONLY essentials weapons for hunting and lvup very fast, things beginners don't know, or being a good sellers, by buying stuff at low price and reselling them later, or selling stuff that nobody sell.... (like me). But whatever, only pro (I mean people knowing well the game) can travel "poor" situation to "rich" status quickly, the others will stay "poor" indefinitely without enjoying mini-event or others great things..... About "middle" class, it's pretty simple, only people is traveling can go to: poor -> middle -> rich ! The "middle" class is temporal, because they have the time to lvup and hunt, or they got someone who helped them a lot, or they know pretty well the game, but, If you don't have enough time to leveling and hunting, or having a good friend to help you, or don't know anything about this game (totally new to pso or even ps series), well you are going to be a "poor" guy for a long time..... Edit: English is not my native language , so sry if I did some mistake !

Telling all your friends to down rep I see, this is why no one likes you

Congrats to Saith on Charge J-Cutter!

Congrats to Faki/Handlebar on getting Charge Scythe. (Courtesy of Massblade giving up his item.)

Just a (non oficial) idea I came up with after hearing some people complain about the new Exp table. This idea however is not new, and is used in several games to keep people interested in leveling up. What is it? (Briefly) Prestige is some kind of optional feature that lets you decide to level up again from 1 - 200 on the same character. Yes it is like rebirthing. Why would you prestige? When hitting lvl 200 on one of your characters, it might feel like this is the end, sure you can still hunt rares and help other people, but there is still some thrill missing. That's right, the leveling! Being able to train your favorite character up again can be even more fun than recreating a new one. Also, you could really work on a 'main' character while still making other characters if you want some change of pace. We can also add some benefits for people who decide to go through the hard work of leveling up your character again. Some examples would be : Have a different colored name (which shows that you've already hit the 200's at least once ^^) Increase the max stats of your character each time you prestige. Make some elite-only quests that you could enter only after prestiging a certain number of times. Access to new NPC skins many more. What would you keep? The materials you've used, which can give you a big advantage when you're low level again. All your items in your inventory, bank and common bank, but equips that are to high for your level will be unequipped until you reach the required level again. Techniques (not really sure about how to deal with those yet). Note : You are never obligated to prestige, it's just optional. That way, casual players can just stick to leveling their character to lvl 200 once with the normal exp rate. This is not an official idea of the staff, but I'd like to see if people like the idea. Please debate/share your opinions on this matter and who knows it might become a realizable concept. Ofc this will involve plenty of coding if ever implemented. Español A chuk le dio una idea ( por eso estaba dando el olor a quemado ) después saber que la gente se estaba quejando de la tabla de exp. Esta idea no es nueva y se utiliza en muchos juegos para mantener a la gente interesada en subir nivel. ¿Qué es? Es una opción que se te da para volver a comenzar desde nivel 1. ¿Por qué querría yo perder mi nivel? Al llegar a nivel 200 la sientes como que se acabó, aunque aún puedas buscar rares y ayudar a otros, pero te aburres porque ya no subes más nivel. Así que te damos una sugerencia de volver a entrenar a tu personaje favorito nuevamente, y podría ser menos aburrido que comenzar uno nuevo,también podrías declararlo como tu personaje principal aunque sigas utilizando a tus otros personajes. Aquellos que quisieran realizar esto, tendrían algunos beneficios, por el trabajo duro que ya hicieron antes de volver a nivel 1. Ganarás nombre de diferente color Los max stats de tu character serán más altos cada vez que regreses a nivel 1. Hacer algunas quests que pidan como requerimento regresar a nivel 1 algún número de veces seguidas. Tener nuevos skins NPC. ¿Qué cosas conservo al hacer esto? Todos tus power/evade/hp y todo tipo de materials que utilizaste antes. Todos tus items, también de bank(common y normal). Pero requieres el nivel para volver a equipartelos. Todos tus Techniques (requiere trabajo para esto). Nota : Esto no es obligatorio y es completamente opcional. ( Y si es como renacer en algunos otros juegos. ) Esta no es una idea de todo el staff pero es para saber si a los usuarios de UltimaPSOBB les agrada o no.

Just give us a separate colored name and a Swaggy member title

Nice Event, KajeX ^^

Im sure people have these laying around. If you have any , I'll offer for em.

Now to be honest with my opinion, it doesn't matter whether your poor or rich as long as your playing alongside your friend and are enjoying yourself.

^ You know why I love you lol, Plz no warning points xD

First warning Armando. The ban is only for 12 hours.

I want to see how handlebar is being honest because he cant post a single log of me asking him to downrep this post, i had nothing to do with it and i dont see how i am abusing the down rep system kajex please enlighten me? Apparently because people don't agree with what colorado has to say im abusing the rep system? Go ask someone you trust who was in lobby at the time to see if i had anything to do with this, one person you know who was there was soly. I had nothing to do with people down repping him Edit: Handlebars 2nd post was because he was lying about his previous one and he posted that after i confronted him in game about it

lmfaooooooooooooo

Armando please don't post on this topic just up-vote or down-vote and leave

Got it from srojasq. Closed

i have one too... let me know your offer ... im in game now Edit: Thanks for the trade!

#A.S.A.P.Rocky:

I have never grown up with nice things and was always taught to enjoy everything that comes my way. I appreciate everything this server does, thank you for the event. Hopefully I will be getting some claws xD

stop logging out

Well if you can get a PGF for 65 tickets and make a weapons with say 50/50/0/0/50. Then a DM like Rivaille's one with 0/0/0/5/50 would be worth less than 65 tickets, maybe even less than 50 tickets considering how much it would cost to add stats. So not only are you wrong but you should also not troll peoples trade posts, they can offer whatever they like, no ones forcing anyone to take the offer and no one asked you for a price check.

Password recovery steps with the control panel : Go to http://phantasystaronline.net/cp/pso/forgot_pass.php Enter your username in lower cases, fill in the human check code and press submit Go to your email account linked to that username and look for the mail from ultima Open the mail and copy the secret code from the mail ( be aware to not copy the spaces next to it or it will not work ) Go to http://phantasystaronline.net/cp/pso/change_pass.php Enter your username and paste the code from the mail into 'old password' Chose a new password and repeat it in both fields + security check Press submit and now your password is successfully updated If you do something wrong, a clear error message should op up telling you what went wrong. If you still don't get why it didn't work, send me a PM.

Well in this game you are either rich which can be defined by being happy with your gear and equipment but sometimes that doesn't mean you are rich but that isn't the point. what I want to know is why you think that in this game there is no middle class you are rich or you are poor like why is it like this why and when did the divide between the two become so big... and then there is occasionally those few noobs who pick up a few pds and think they are rich so guys what do you think the cause of the unbalanced economy

i down repped you because armando told me to edit: and i like armando

i mustve missed the part where is says dont post just up or down rep

ok

This server has players that come and go every 1-2 months and people who've been playing for years of course the economy is gonna be rich or poor

Lol, DF isn't worth 50 DT's.

Well excuse me princess, I wasn't being a troll, I am just saying what I know from the past, since a PGF costs 65 d-tickets.

I always get my dark weapons for 50 tickets so Alpine is right