Another GM?

[deadson12]

Great Info Shida Thanks 

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[H2k]

Thanks for all the info @R-78.

 

I do believe if we would any difference in achieving more staff, or moderators, and developers we should hold a poll to decide. If the community wants it, I think the community should decide. We would need @Larva @Soly feed back. This helps not only you but the server and community as a whole. 

[Soly]

Shiida's post is on point.
I also sometimes help with redeems (although I don't do it in game).

Regarding developers (which I guess is what I can give input with), I don't have much to say but I'd like to point out a few things

I know there is people that are interested in helping on this area but have no experience and that's makes things complicated.

There is also the need of allowing access to the source code and/or servers, which is a very sensitive thing, an someone with malicious intent could make things go very bad (not saying most people would, but can't just ignore that possibility).

Another thing is, regarding source code, if someone really wanted to fix something in the game, they can do that without having access to ultima's source code (here, I am mostly talking about the game, for example the bringers issue, but keep in mind ultima is still based on tethealla) and share the changes they did with us (that'd definitely be a good application to be a developer).

[oms]

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Edited August 23 by oms

[Saber +7]

I'd say just reinstate me.

[H2k]

I feel like important things like these shouldnt be left in the dust. The community wants something its talked about all the time. If we need to hold a poll we can but the community should also come to voice their opinions. It's only been a few of us when I know as a whole the more frequent players of this community would want those changes. @Larva @R-78 @Soly. Besides the poll. We need more of your input on this. Everything that was stated was just that. Stated and gets left in the dust.

[Ruffalufacus]

On 8/22/2024 at 6:03 PM, Soly said:

Shiida's post is on point.
I also sometimes help with redeems (although I don't do it in game).

Regarding developers (which I guess is what I can give input with), I don't have much to say but I'd like to point out a few things

I know there is people that are interested in helping on this area but have no experience and that's makes things complicated.

There is also the need of allowing access to the source code and/or servers, which is a very sensitive thing, an someone with malicious intent could make things go very bad (not saying most people would, but can't just ignore that possibility).

Another thing is, regarding source code, if someone really wanted to fix something in the game, they can do that without having access to ultima's source code (here, I am mostly talking about the game, for example the bringers issue, but keep in mind ultima is still based on tethealla) and share the changes they did with us (that'd definitely be a good application to be a developer).

I'm actually kind of interested in learning how to develop and am wondering if that's a good place to start. Are you saying someone interested in such should get a Tethealla (I think that's free) server for hosting their own BB server and play around with it? Any input from someone as seasoned as yourself would go a long way and I'd definitely read over any material/resources to further that endeavor.

[Sir Rendlan]

On 8/22/2024 at 9:00 PM, Saber +7 said:

I'd say just reinstate me.

No. I haven't been around in a hot minute. But as a reminder @Protoss has reminded Larva that they given you quite literally the "poop" role. Unless your attitude has changed and demeanor you should not be a GM ever again.

Edited August 31 by Sir Rendlan

[Sir Rendlan]

On 8/22/2024 at 5:03 PM, Soly said:

Shiida's post is on point.
I also sometimes help with redeems (although I don't do it in game).

Regarding developers (which I guess is what I can give input with), I don't have much to say but I'd like to point out a few things

I know there is people that are interested in helping on this area but have no experience and that's makes things complicated.

There is also the need of allowing access to the source code and/or servers, which is a very sensitive thing, an someone with malicious intent could make things go very bad (not saying most people would, but can't just ignore that possibility).

Another thing is, regarding source code, if someone really wanted to fix something in the game, they can do that without having access to ultima's source code (here, I am mostly talking about the game, for example the bringers issue, but keep in mind ultima is still based on tethealla) and share the changes they did with us (that'd definitely be a good application to be a developer).

I have spent a lot of time learning server work  lmk if its windows would be interesting to learn. (Debian/Proxmox is what I have been learning)

Edited August 31 by Sir Rendlan

[Saber +7]

On 8/31/2024 at 2:32 AM, Sir Rendlan said:

No. I haven't been around in a hot minute. But as a reminder @Protoss has reminded Larva that they given you quite literally the "poop" role. Unless your attitude has changed and demeanor you should not be a GM ever again.

 

Welcome, learn to read a joke lol.

If we want to be serious at this point... This server is not in need of another GM unless they're an experienced developer at the moment. Whoever it is would be the equivalent of a Happy Hour / redeem bot. There's nothing wrong with that, but where we are now, that doesn't make much of a difference on the quality of the server. Ultima needs a developer who can and will come in with knowledge / experience already and immediately be able to make contributions to the server / client code base and related tooling. This, in my opinion, looks like getting one of Ender, Esc, Fuzzy, Soly, Jake, or another sleeper dev that I am forgetting to agree to a cash deal to complete x, y, and z tasks. Anything else is just whatever. 

 

Things this server needs (in no particular order):

 

DMC patch

Early walk patch

Gibbles patch

Shop patch

Ultima Bringers patch

 

a new outlook on events (this probably requires the development of a new system, but maybe not)

automated redeem system (automation programming has literally never been easier)

hit for pd quest

quest designer

 

There's so many things I am leaving out because they feel semi-small, but they add up to something meaningful overtime. Go look at the Ephinea patch notes over the last year and see how many client and server issues they've identified and repaired. Another GM to redeem and turn on Happy Hour does nothing for the state of Ultima.

Edited September 2 by Saber +7

[H2k]

On 9/2/2024 at 12:53 PM, Saber +7 said:

 

Welcome, learn to read a joke lol.

If we want to be serious at this point... This server is not in need of another GM unless they're an experienced developer at the moment. Whoever it is would be the equivalent of a Happy Hour / redeem bot. There's nothing wrong with that, but where we are now, that doesn't make much of a difference on the quality of the server. Ultima needs a developer who can and will come in with knowledge / experience already and immediately be able to make contributions to the server / client code base and related tooling. This, in my opinion, looks like getting one of Ender, Esc, Fuzzy, Soly, Jake, or another sleeper dev that I am forgetting to agree to a cash deal to complete x, y, and z tasks. Anything else is just whatever. 

 

Things this server needs (in no particular order):

 

DMC patch

Early walk patch

Gibbles patch

Shop patch

Ultima Bringers patch

 

a new outlook on events (this probably requires the development of a new system, but maybe not)

automated redeem system (automation programming has literally never been easier)

hit for pd quest

quest designer

 

There's so many things I am leaving out because they feel semi-small, but they add up to something meaningful overtime. Go look at the Ephinea patch notes over the last year and see how many client and server issues they've identified and repaired. Another GM to redeem and turn on Happy Hour does nothing for the state of Ultima.

 

 

Wilson if I were able to like these 50 times over i would, you pretty much hit it where it needs to be. A dev would definitely change the game here for ultima. We as a coummnity have donated enough, and if we have to then so be it. I just feel like this would pay off in itself especially if you get to keep those players that tend to like Ultima. The reason for the decline of players also is because certain things are not reachable until an event comes on (not that I need to hunt events) but thats where the mejority of the players come in.

 

When it comes to hit I feel like there should be bundles if we happen to redeem an excess amount of hit. I don't know if the'yll ever do pds for hit cause like Shida stated pds are easy to hunt with woi. Thing is it becomes restless when a player wants to grind certain things and not pay to win for this game. Hit is definitely something that needs to be reworked as its something that 100% of the community needs so they can improve their weapons. There are just many things that should be accessible for new and veteran players without the nuisance of calling Shida all the time. Like why would I need a gm to redeem my 3 nakas cards? That should be automated in where we can choose what we want and how we name our said items. Many players quit because hit is inaccessible just like a lot of others items. Even putting certain items on your DT list would drastically improve how people choose to play this game. Buy everything or go hunt for it. It should be up to the gamer how they wanna play. Simply add like Pgf or all those other event items and have a set price that has been going around the community. I.E PGF for 300 dts, STA 150 dts, etc.

[Soly]

On 8/31/2024 at 1:41 AM, Sir Rendlan said:

I have spent a lot of time learning server work  lmk if its windows would be interesting to learn. (Debian/Proxmox is what I have been learning)

Just to point out, this is a programming thing, not server administration.

 

On 8/30/2024 at 10:39 AM, Ruffalufacus said:

I'm actually kind of interested in learning how to develop and am wondering if that's a good place to start. Are you saying someone interested in such should get a Tethealla (I think that's free) server for hosting their own BB server and play around with it? Any input from someone as seasoned as yourself would go a long way and I'd definitely read over any material/resources to further that endeavor.

There are now a few issues getting started with tethealla, you can grab a copy of tethealla from my github profile, but Ephinea/Pioneer2 have removed the subforum for Tethealla guides, including even how to set it up.

I currently can't teach people how to get around tethealla and how the game (programming) works. It's not like I didn't get help myself, but when I did, there were a lot more resources/people available.
If I were to put some time into something like that, I'd rather do it based on Aselia instead of Tethealla, but atm Aselia is not available either.