C01D1 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) I made a crude video briefly showing the performance of Burning Visit, Rianov 5 and Dark Meteor in order to show PIERCE. I hope it shows that even without DM there are great options. Outlaw Star I personally do not like it enough to waste a Shard however I am sure it is decent as well and fell free to make a video of that being used to post here. Good luck. Edited May 12, 2020 by C01D1 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronSheik Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Nice video. I have a 40 hit outlaw star if you want to borrow that in case you want to add it to your vid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcoren Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 What are you using to have that Item drop list display on your screen? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C01D1 Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Malcoren said: What are you using to have that Item drop list display on your screen? That's floor reader. It's actually All in one reader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigunman Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Interesting, I'll have to reconsider the Flame/Burning Visit, I did not realize it had pierce ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C01D1 Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, Trigunman said: Interesting, I'll have to reconsider the Flame/Burning Visit, I did not realize it had pierce ability. It's a viable weapon. Takes some getting use to but it's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnorton44 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 DF > everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotta Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) I didn't know Burning Visit had pierce bonus. [Blame wikia for that ] Also, why not also Include Spread/Arrest Needle In the showcase? Sure, they are very short range, but the paralysis special, If given the right amount of Hit%, Is very useful to stop the ones In front from approaching and stopping the ones Incoming [with a standard error, that Is ] Also, In the end, the DM Is better [duh xD], but not just because It goes far away hitting everything on Its path (and great damage), but also that The special retains Shot's angle... (What the actual fuuUUUUU-!? ) [Oh, and also....... why VHard and not Ultimate? :/ ] (Vhard, right?) Edited May 12, 2020 by Kotta Difficulty 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C01D1 Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kotta said: I didn't know Burning Visit had pierce bonus. [Blame wikia for that ] Also, why not also Include Spread/Arrest Needle In the showcase? Sure, they are very short range, but the paralysis special, If given the right amount of Hit%, Is very useful to stop the ones In front from approaching and stopping the ones Incoming [with a standard error, that Is ] Also, In the end, the DM Is better [duh xD], but not just because It goes far away hitting everything on Its path (and great damage), but also that The special retains Shot's angle... (What the actual fuuUUUUU-!? ) [Oh, and also....... why VHard and not Ultimate? 😕 ] (Vhard, right?) Yeah so screw taking any effort to show anything.... People were discussing piercing weapons. Might help people have some hope while they await a rare PGF.... As such with your obvious butt hurtedness feel free to go out the same door you entered in. Arrest Needle while decent has crap range and doesn't pierce why would I show that? Edited May 12, 2020 by C01D1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotta Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, C01D1 said: Yeah so screw taking any effort to show anything.... People were discussing piercing weapons. Might help people have some hope while they await a rare PGF.... Ah, piercing, my bad. I was kind of confused from reading your first post, since I didn't know flame/burning visit was a piercing shot [Oh, and yeah, Outlaw Star sucks, It Is even weaker than the same Guilty Light, since It can't be grinded (has same Atp as Guilty Light and 8 points of ATA less, probably because special Is hell... or unreduced hell?), so Red Scorpio remains the stronger one amongs them four launchers] 3 hours ago, C01D1 said: As such with your obvious butt hurtedness feel free to go out the same door you entered in. Eeeer sorry? I didn't mean to be that guy -_-'' I didn't even know there was a piercing discussion, so yeah, my bad again.... Edited May 12, 2020 by Kotta Sry If I was Ignorant... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C01D1 Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kotta said: Ah, piercing, my bad. I was kind of confused from reading your first post, since I didn't know flame/burning visit was a piercing shot [Oh, and yeah, Outlaw Star sucks, It Is even weaker than the same Guilty Light, since It can't be grinded (has same Atp as Guilty Light and 8 points of ATA less, probably because special Is hell... or unreduced hell?), so Red Scorpio remains the stronger one amongs them four launchers. Yeah pierce is my point. The ability to hit all hit points in a straight line. People often overlook these easier to obtain options. Not many people have all 3 maxed to do a fair comparison so I took a couple minutes. Edited May 12, 2020 by C01D1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applesaucin Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) So i know this is supposed to be about pierce weapons, but i just wanna say there are times when it seems to me a max AR or SN may actually deal more dps than a dm, due to the attack speed. Specifically speaking, i dont have a cent/bat and noticed it seems that way at times. Im basically asking: can anyone confirm if a spread or a pierce weapon can EVER out dps (even if just soloing to avoid dmc) a dark meteor? With or without c/bat being a variable also? In this same vein, does having more atp increase dmg with a weapon or just the ability to use a stronger weapon? Sorry bout the question bombs lol Edited May 13, 2020 by applesaucin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C01D1 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, applesaucin said: So i know this is supposed to be about pierce weapons, but i just wanna say there are times when it seems to me a max AR or SN may actually deal more dps than a dm, due to the attack speed. Specifically speaking, i dont have a cent/bat and noticed it seems that way at times. Im basically asking: can anyone confirm if a spread or a pierce weapon can EVER out dps (even if just soloing to avoid dmc) a dark meteor? With or without c/bat being a variable also? In this same vein, does having more atp increase dmg with a weapon or just the ability to use a stronger weapon? Sorry bout the question bombs lol A maxed SN or AN will never outdamage a DM in the right hands due to its insane attack power and range. In fact I think Baranz Launcher is the closest competitor. However, a R5 can in fact outdamage a DM in a couple circumstances, Caves boss comes to mind and phase 1 Olga Flow due to its high ATP pierce and rifle animation speed. Edited May 13, 2020 by C01D1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salem11 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Rianov-5 is better well.. super fast attack i like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotta Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 1:46 AM, applesaucin said: So i know this is supposed to be about pierce weapons, but i just wanna say there are times when it seems to me a max AR or SN may actually deal more dps than a dm, due to the attack speed. Specifically speaking, i dont have a cent/bat and noticed it seems that way at times. Im basically asking: can anyone confirm if a spread or a pierce weapon can EVER out dps (even if just soloing to avoid dmc) a dark meteor? With or without c/bat being a variable also? You just said It: "I don't have a cent/bat". Apparently, Cebatts break the game, making any shot-type weapon almost as fast as a sniper. That Is why I'm hunting a hit Panzer Faust, for I love how fast and the number of enemies you can strike with It [Yeah, mb. This comment Is pretty late to the original date of post] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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