@Kure-ji
"People want to kill stuff with different solutions too, not just be tied to one strategy!"
And they can, a friend of mine always plays melee while I only use techniques as FOmarls. Works well.
"You're talking about certain gears that boost damage. Again, most of which are extremely hard to obtain."
Yes I am, but this was just an example. The thing is that 3 hit is incredibly few. I just tested with a lvl 150 foney, with no stuff equipped (no unit, no mag) I need 9 rafoie to kill a Bartle. That's still very few when you consider that you may clean a WoF's 15 bartles wave with only 9 hits while other classes must kill them 1 by 1 or 5 by 5.
Thus how would it be if techniques happened to be increased ? People who have already hard gear would kill enemies in 2 hits ?
Unless those gears get nerfed (what I definitively don't want to see), that would only make FO overpowered.
"And what if you do the unboosted metagame? HU's and RA's already have plentiful of weapons that can kill enemies faster than a FO (UNBOOSTED) and that alone is a huge problem. "
But that implies that HU and RA actually HAVE stuff while FO don't ?
If so, it's normal to see FO being way weaker than them.
Moreover FO's original goal was supporting. If they were stronger or at least, as strong as other classes, what would be the use to play another class ?
I mean you have heals, support techniques, and beside that you deal as much damage ?
"I agree with this, but the only reason I said that is because those are pretty much the only uses I see Megid for. I simply overexaggerated Megid's niche use. Other than that, what else can it be used for? I get the fact that UR is easy to get and grants penetration, but even then, the death proc is laughable on 90% of Ult mode's roster."
You may consider this : the point with Megid is that MST doesn't matter at all, thus any force, either close range battle force with only ATP or lvl 90 force may have a chance to one shot any ultimate enemy as soon as the disk is learnt.
So a beginner in ultimate who has no gear but that megid has 1/10 rate to kill enemies, I think it is worth it.
That is the only chance based technique but its effect couldn't be better.
Now imagine the chance of hitting any enemy is much increased, force would just spam it and kill enemies before HU and RA could hit them. And that doesn't even require MST to be more efficient so you can play melee and Megid at same time.
Sometimes I feel guilty when I play force in public room because I kill an entire wave before the third could be hit by my teamates so they don't get experience.
Therefore I often wait on purpose to have all enemies hit by them, but finally there is no use for me since I will have to hit the enemy group X times to kill them all, no matter how many were hit or killed by them, and especially with people who use monotarget weapons.
About the mesetas, you've talked about selling common stuff only, but don't forget many quests are well paid.
Earning 20'000+ from each run of TTF, WoF etc makes you being able to buy 5+ trifluids, add the fluids you find on the ground during the quest and you definitively have enough mana to clear a quest without being in deficit.
Finally force RA techniques don't need to get boosted BUT some enemies' resistance must be lowered. I agree with that.
@El Socko
Of course, Rangers with V502 and 50 hit hell weapon will be much more efficient.
But in that case, I can say that they need hard-to-get stuff too. They must equip both while Megid can be used whenever as soon as it's learnt as I stated before.
Furthermore there is no Piercing hell for RA and HU.
@ultrajerky
If you care about DMC, just keep on supporting : SD, JZ, RAR (resta anti reverser) and that is a quality of FO because you can remain useful even when 3 other players spam attacks on the same enemy.
When playing in 4 players room, the Force had better do that, 3 offensive characters are enough. (but still it depends on the situation)
If you DMC with spells using that stuff in episode IV, I don't see who wouldn't DMC. (Unless you play with Dark weapon users or something like that...if so, get a Psycho Bridge)
I personally kill Pazuzu with Megid now. Random factor, maybe, but in average it's way faster.
Also I could say the opposite : a force can kill 10 dispersed Satellite lizards in a fraction of second while a Racast would have to get his sword, come close to them, and eventually wait for them to group before starting to hit them ...
@Misombre
"Also some people are talking about the famous "meseta room". Ok, meseta has no value so it is given for free...
Hem, what about just rising the meseta drop by monster like x50 ? What about setting a real price to rare items ?"
+1.