Misombre

Yes perhaps DT's purchasing should just be enable once in a while. Like one week per month you could bought DTs. What I fear however is that people will just buy more during this period so that they don't run out when it's disabled. What would be more realistic on the long term, it is to put a limitation on how much DTs each people can buy every month. I mean this idea would be stupid if it was a game supposed to bring money to the creators/hosts/owners. But it is not the case, donation is not supposed to be a salary but a way to keep the server alive. Since there is so much people now willing to pay, I don't think it would be an issue if, say, there were a cap, a limitation of 50 or 100 $ per month per person. That along with 2 $ for 1 DT would really have an impact. Now is that impact going to be good, am not a soothsayer.

Oh yes I see. Well 9-10 % looks quite good. Is that possible to do like 9.5 % ?

You can't change the people. Moreover people are barely a part of the problem. Perhaps since there is "inflation" with the DTs, the price should be raised to something like 1 DT = 2 $ But will that stop newbies from overpaying like crazy when they want something ? I don't think so. I agree that Lindcray and Glide v00 were not hard to get. Anyway I know my list is bad. Perhaps I should have put only PGF, SoV and C/B But can you get them now ? I saw a Glide at 40 DTs recently but point is that no one was selling it. I think you're mistaken about Glide v00 not being useful, but that's only my two cents and I guess we're not all playing the same way. Personally, I would mention : tower (del lily, Ill Gill, etc.) and Falz (last shape). You think people greediness is an issue. I would take it the other way though. People who are ready to pay anything are the problem. Am talking about those people who just come to this server, barely played and spend hundreds of hundreds of dollars. They want it, they don't know the value. And since they want it "now !", they will pay the price. This is the issue. DT are the issue. Paying is the issue. Or is it ? In another hand, if items were available all year around, there would be more on the market, and there will be no sharks anymore. Only fishes everywhere. In my demonstration, what I didn't explain is : if you own it, no matter how you're acting, you're a shark. You didn't choose to be a shark, you don't have the choice. At the very moment you get your hand on one of those "must have" items, you are a shark. Because you cannot sell a DW 65 DTs. You cannot sell a n00b/hp 5 PDs. You cannot sell a Centurion/Battle 35 DTs. (when events are off ofc) If you do, someone will buy it right away and 1) resell/trade it for 2/5/10 folds what they "worth" 2) keep it for themselves until next event at least. Now do you care if you sell your power/mat 15:1 and someone buy it off you and resell it 5:1 ? Not that much, you might be pissed but no one cares really. Now do you care if you sell a clean SoV 20 DTs to someone who will sell it 150 DTs ? More than the potential 130 DTs that you missed, you now no longer have the item for one year (assuming you will find it next time) and if you want to buy a super event item, you cannot offer enough. So basically, we are forced to enter this shark category. Greediness exists. Is that being greedy to play by the rules ? I, Misombre, am not greedy. I can tell you =) However, I am a shark for sure since I got a few valuable items. How do one knows he's part of the shark company ? Ask yourself those questions : Would I even consider selling my super items for PDs or DTs ? If no, you're a shark. Would I consider trading my super items for regular items (like a good bunch of it with good stats, plus some PDs) ? If no, you're a shark. Can you put a honest price on your super items (not based on what people payed last for it) ? If no... Would you trade your super items for other super items ? If "yes" or "probably", you're a shark. You don't need to fit all the question, one is enough. (PS : I don't have anything against sharks ) @tru Taking PGF off the donation list AND making it Christmas only. It is bound to those two. If you remove from the donation list but make it all year around, the price will be high but not insane. If you let it on the donation list but make it Christmas only the price will be the one from the donation list. If you put it on the donation list AND all year around available, the price will drop a little more each year.

Do you feel like 96 % is a punishment ? ^^ It sure feel like a forcing on multiplayer though, but am not sure we would feel the difference between 96 and 102 %. I wouldn't mind personally. Anyway the drop rate will never be this way if pso2 style is implemented. Why are we even talking about it, I wonder =) 1 P = 100 %, 2 P = 82 %, 4 P = 54 % Good point is that it will certainly limit quadra-logger. Bad point is, like some people already said, that it will most certainly not favor multiplayer. I'd say 82 % for two players is almost fine. But man, 54 % is a hell low for 4 players. Something more like [100 %, 91 %, 85 %, 82 %] or [100 %, 88 %, 79 %, 73 %] would be the least to me.

Fixing the economy ? I don't see what you're talking about. The economy is just as it has been designed by events : a sharks market. Perhaps some people will wonder about what a "sharks market" is, but they should not, for it's right there under their eyes. The true question is : how to make a sharks market ? Like in every markets, some items have a fixed range of prices. This range can vary, but it's still kinda "fix" on the short term. Now there is also certain items that are virtually available on this market, but practically unbuyable. Ya know, it's like wanting to buy the castle where the market take place. You "could" do it in theory, but it would cost you a lot and at the end you need to get the agreement of the owner (who will most certainly ask you for another castle/manor/palace in exchange). Now on Ultima those "virtually unbuyable items" are the following : PGF, SoV, Lindcray, Glide Divine v00, Centurion/Battle, etc. They are characterized by three things : - They don't have fixed range of price, as soon as an event is over, the price will explode - People will not want to let it go - Unlike normal items which can pretty much always be "bought", those one will be more likely traded for other "virtually unbuyable" items (making it a close market between the biggest hunters) At this point, some people may thing : "Oh man, you're so full of s..." Or am I not ? Events make some items available for a short period of time. During those periods, it is most of the time possible to buy/trade those items. Now what's going on once events are over ? Tom (let's call it like that) suddenly has items that will not be available at all during one big whole year. Items which are very useful and not easy to find. So yeah, Tom want a good price on it. A very good price, Tom want a big compensation. But is that even possible ? I mean, this item is unique after all and sooo strong... Sharks market happens when it becomes hard to put a price on something and when the supply of this something is really low. The shark in this story, Tom, is the one who hold the market between his fangs. Point is that fishes (who do not have any "virtually unbuyable items") cannot trade with sharks (not fairly at least, I mean, if it has to cost you a flipper, drop it). Only sharks can. The way events have been designed have made this place a sharks market. (Take this demonstration with a grain of salt, it is of course over exaggerated... ... or is it not ? you tell me) Please consider when reading me that I don't hold any grudge against the current system. This is barely an explanation (probably wrong moreover ^^), not a rant.

Yes I see =/ However I would like people to see pso2 drop style like that : If you play solo you get your own drop end of the story. Now if you play with people, you also get your own drop so that should be the end of the story. We have to think about it like a solo mode with more people (that sound stupid right ? well the sentence is ^^). What I mean is : you still have your drop like your alone, except that people are here to help you get it (and in return you're also helping them). That would basically remove the call your hunt thing. Instead of saying : help me find it first, and then I will help you => You can just help the people while they are helping you. So it's a gain of time. And at the end of the day, if the same guy end up having twice the rare item, he can share (assuming you're at least playing with friends/teammate/someone nice and understanding). Said differently : people could do their usual alone run, but in the same room ! It sounds much more fun to me =D Of course, there will always be raging/unlucky people as well as greedy one. But hey ! Nothing new under the sun, it IS already like that.

@griffeni How do you feel when you've been hunting for days something and that suddenly you see the banner of someone else finding it. And then another banner of someone else ? And so on... That's exactly the same thing. Either you've been hunting something for ages or not, that this someone find it in your room : what difference does it makes ? This is randomness. You find it or not, don't go thinking that because you hunt it for a longer time it is due to you. Random means you can get it in one run, (even if unlikely) or never (very unlikely too). But randomness also means that someone WILL find it before you with less effort and someone else WILL find it after you with much more effort. Unless you are The lucky guy. But we are always the lucky guy of something and the unlucky one of something else. This is pso, we have to accept it for there is nothing wrong in it. Eventually, the guy who join your room and find what you were looking for, can be nice and give the rare to you. Am not being naive, but such kind of person exists and perhaps that this pso2 system thing will motivate people to be more generous in that way. *dream dream*

I would actually do it the other way around in that case. 1 P = 90 % 2 P = 95 % 3 P = 100 % 4 P = 105 % Or something lighter : 1 P = 96 % 2 P = 98 % 3 P = 100 % 4 P = 102 % This way, solo playing would not be that much at disadvantage, but playing with more people would directly high up a bit the global drop rate (nothing insane though) Now now, once again, the issue is multi-logging. That's why I guess this will never be done (not even to mention that 'giving higher rates the more people join a room' will be considered an insane heresy and I'll be lynched for even thinking about it). But on that point, I agree with Kajex last post. If people want to bother playing 4 characters, good for them (bad for their health though). If because of those people prices go down, well prices go down and what ? I don't see any drama ^.^

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No one is the "bad guy". Don't worry, people are just trying to figure a way out of this after all ideas have been considered. I actually agree with that. I don't think there is even something to argue about that. Don't take it that way, we're here to share ideas and talk before everything else.

Nah Midori, I don't think Fyrewolf is talking about being fast or making money. Playing pso is not all about that is it ? There is no "being superior to" or whatsoever, it's just that pso is a difficult game and has been made to favorise multiplayer. Now, people are able to do most things by themselves and tend to learn how to solo everything... because they don't want to share, or I should say because they also want their share. So at the end, it looks like solo is favored. But the game was not designed this way. I see you're talking about power material (normal difficulty), luck material (same), Glide Divine (need to scare poor sand rappies...). Of course everyone can do that alone and be more efficient. It's another story in ultimate though. @Fyrewolf Multi-logging has always been around... on Ultima you mean ? If not only, I just was completely ignorant about it (well you can do it on GC/DC but it's a bother to manipulate several controllers) To me, it's not because there is a way to do something around a game that it means the game has been designed to do so. I don't think pso has been designed to have multi-log, just my two cents (but I have nothing against dual logging).

Or... you can let people multi log as much as they want BUT if they do, only one of their character get a drop. So basically, the guy quadra logging will be considered solo and only the first account logged will see the drop. Edit : nevermind, I didn't thought about people living in the same house T-T

@Midori My guess is not that he said 'No' because he doesn't wish to improve the server (after all, Soly is making all the work on that one if I did understand well), but much more like he doesn't see that it would be an useful enhancement. Perhaps Larva also fears that this feature would unbalance the game or whatsoever... Anyway, fear doesn't lead to evolution. If he doesn't even give it a chance, we will never know if that actually can work (kidding, we all know that will work for there is already a good working example on another server T-T Or is that he doesn't want to "copy" this style because of... pride perhaps ?)

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@Angel Yeah people are always talking about DF and it really confuse me why they so much people would buy a Demonic Fork for such a high price Oo

Malxerz... the crystal balls should not be handled upside down. This kind of mistakes leads you to watch the past instead of the future ={ Or you just have a fine spirit assuming that the past is vowed to repeat itself over and over again ^^

Hello man ! The ID's you picked are quite good. You can have wedding dress, red ring, psycho wand, lame d'argent etc. with whitill. And purplenum got a lot of different stuff, especially during events. Redria is also good for materials hunt and other stuffs. Now I'd say that ID's doesn't matter that much, because at the end of the day you just need them all T-T As a ranger, you can get Iron Faust and/or Baranz Launcher which are almost as good as DM (open the spoiler from this post to get the full test of those weapons : http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/25901-larva-pls-put-pgf-back-on-donation-list/ Yasminkov 9000M with demons special is also very very good. To froze a foes : Frozen Shooter (must have for ranger) To paralyse all the foes : Spread needle or Arrest Needle (even better than spread) One of the best mechgun, for male only : Psycho Raven Talking about mechguns, if you are just beginning on ultima, I would advise you to get a charge vulcan with 40+ hit. Why ? 1) Because it's quite easy to get/buy (quest : restless lion, if high level : can be bought in weapon shop for mesetas, buy to other players : around 5 pds perhaps less) 2) Deals decent damage as a first weapon You will hear about hit a lot on this server. The reason being that ultimate monsters are buffed and got a great amount of EVP (so they make you miss a lot). Most weapons without hit are completely useless on this server in ultimate difficulty. About DT, read this : http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/25497-everything-about-donations/ If you need to know where you can find the most of a monster kind, check this : http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/6440-enemy-counts/ Also, among the things to know, GMs launch what they call an Happy Hour (HH) every once in a while (sometime once or twice a day). During Happy Hour, rares drop rate are x3 which makes hunting a lot more easier during 3 hours. This topic help to let you know when a HH has begun if you're not online : http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/21845-happy-hours-alert/page-45

That's not like you're betraying your friends anyway. That's more like when you play card games (or pretty much any game) with people, there is always winners and losers. With mmorpgs people tend to forget that most games in the first place were conceived in a competitive way (because in mmorpg they can just 'fight' against the environment (the game itself)). There is no hard feelings in losing or winning against your friends, so don't worry =) And if you really feel bad about it you can always give the reward away ^^

162 minutes left of Happy Hour

I don't think that you miss something. That's typically the kind of thing you do once. Of course the other team would not want to remake if they win ^^ unless you agreed before that it was a trial

@Stark So yeah, we don't give forks to babies because they don't know how to use it and will most likely hurt themselves (that's why now that we are adults we don't know how to use forks =) So you're saying that because people don't know how to use it, they should not ? That's elitist nonsense. Don't know if you were talking to me about that one, but I never went in the way of wanting "things handed to us". Not at all. @zRoX101 I did read it and just think that would be too hard to balance so that it get the right difficulty. Compared to just adding it to the drop list that is. @Fyrewolf DW are optional. I do realize it very well, I didn't make a point about this. You will not teach me that DW can be outclassed (or almost matched) by a whole lot of weapons (but some people out there do need this so thanks for the damage comparative anyway. You would be a love to do the same with DF now, for the sake of the few hunters who absolutely think there is no better weapon out there). I don't think I talked about getting stronger weapons, but the comparative was interesting nonetheless. By the way, Fyrewolf (and maaany other people), if you're gonna quote someone, if you're gonna answer on a specific topic, please make sure you read properly and entirely what this someone said. There is no "tl dr" possible for someone who pretend explaining things and enlightening people. If you wanna give a proper opinion you first need to be able to understand what people are saying. Otherwise, you just draw everyone back in vain discussions where people try over and over again to explain and re-explain what they already have said. Thinking that you are right is not wanting to destroy what other people say. We are not stupid, if you really are right, we are all supposed to see where you are going and agree with it. Wanting to be right, it is trying to understand where there is misunderstanding and so, you first need to understand what people are really saying. Otherwise, you may most likely be the one who doesn't understand the topic. Am tired to have to explain every of my word three or five times, and people keep ignoring what am saying. The debate revolves around useless axis and doesn't move forward. I do make mistakes, and if am able to recognize them, to realize it : it is because I've tried to understand "everything" you're saying, not just the part that fit my current way of thinking. Am not your enemy, I am living in the same world that you all.