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Thanks for reading and posting, Larva. It's fine to reduce the DAR with each party member who joins. However, the rates need to be decided carefully. If the rates for the new drop system are really bad, there will be no benefit for anyone to choose the new drop system over the classic one, and we will be back to the original problem of having an online game that heavily favors solo over multiplayer. We don't want rare items to be super easy to find. We just want multiplayer to be worth doing. If 4 players want Red Ring, they should play together in the same party, not solo in 4 different rooms. At the very least, multiplayer should be pretty close to solo, even if solo still ends up being a little better. However we need to tweek the numbers to accomplish this, let's figure it out.

The Soul of Steel quest is not in One Person mode. It's actually in multiplayer mode.

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OK Saith. I'm going to stop arguing with you for now. This thread is supposed to be about how we can improve the game and make the multiplayer better, not a debate over if the game favors multiplayer or not. If you want to continue, please send me a PM and we can argue a bit more in private.

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Saith, you can have any opinion you want but what bothers me is how you straight up lie about the game favoring multiplayer. Knock it off. It's obvious to anyone who has experience with this game that it favors solo over multiplayer. Look at your weak arguments. You actually argued that multiplayer is better than solo because if you solo, you get so many items that it floods the market and reduces the value of items. Wow. Solo is so good that it's bad? Really now? And then after that, you argue in favor of multi client. But wait. I thought multi client lead to flooding the market with items and destroying their value. So which is it? You don't make any sense. And why would limiting or disabling multi client punish people who solo? You can still solo. You should only need one client to solo, right? No one is saying we should remove the option to solo. We want the option to play multiplayer and still get items. If most players prefer multiplayer, doesn't it make sense to encourage multiplayer? There is nothing stopping you from soloing either. If multiplayer becomes worth doing, you can still solo if you want. Even though players like you are in the minority, you will always have the option to solo. Maybe it won't be as efficient as multiplayer, but it makes sense to do what is best for most players. We want this server to grow and improve, don't we? Again, you can prefer solo all you want and have the opinion that solo is awesome and it should be vastly superior to multiplayer. I disagree but that's fine. Just don't lie and expect to fool me into thinking that the game actually favors multiplayer. We both know that's not the case. You can argue that RoCT favors multiplayer but what about the other 99% of the game? And even if we are just talking about RoCT, wouldn't it favor multiplayer even more if we didn't have to fight over the items along the way?

I don't solo because I'm a selfish asshole. I solo because that's the best way to play the game. That's not my fault. I'm the one who is arguing for the game to actually favor multiplayer. You guys make it sound like I'm the bad guy because I want to play with others and not be punished for it. Just because the game was designed to allow up to 4 players to play together doesn't mean it favors multiplayer over solo. If I want a Red Ring, and I can solo TTF in 15 mins, please explain to me a better method that involves multiplayer. Prove me wrong. I want multiplayer to be better than solo, so if you guys are right about soloing being inferior, please teach me the superior multiplayer methods. Thanks.

@FyreWolf5 You seriously think the game favors multiplayer over solo? I have 3000 power mats from soloing with 6 accounts over the past few days. I get 90 luck mats or 12 Glide Divines in a single HH from soloing with 6 accounts. If multiplayer is superior to this, please tell me how. I thought I was making money faster than any other player on the server but according to you, I am better off playing multiplayer and having the other players ninja the items instead. I don't understand. Even if we ignore the multi client thing, solo still wins. I can solo TTF in about 15 minutes. If I play with others, we will clear in roughly the same time, but my chance at picking up the Red Ring is 1 in 4. How is multiplayer better again? Are you playing the same game as me?

@Soly You are right about limiting multi client being a problem for multiple people in the same house. Maybe we could still allow many connections from the same IP address, but just add a rule against one person using multiple clients to farm items faster.

Well, if the game still ends up favoring solo over multiplayer, at least we wouldn't have to fight over items when we do play multiplayer. Allowing multi client support was a bad idea. Limit it to 2, or disable it altogether. The only time we should be allowed to use multiple accounts at once is to transfer items. I've literally farmed about 3000 power mats over the past couple of days because I solo with 6 clients. It's stupid. I want to use one account and play with other people instead.

If Larva doesn't understand how having an optional individual drop system can improve the game, he needs to have it explained it to him by someone who does. As long as Larva is open minded, it should be possible to get him to understand. The only reason I can come up with why someone would be against it, would be if they think that PSO should favor solo over multiplayer and they don't care if the majority of players disagree with them. Hopefully Larva doesn't feel this way. Larva, if you are reading this topic, please post and tell us your thoughts.

If what you are saying is true, I would strongly consider switching to a better PSO server over it. If the person in charge of the server doesn't have the desire to improve the game, that's really bad.

This is the most important thing that Ultima needs. If we could get individual drops, then we could convince new players to join this server instead of one that is currently superior. http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/25927-should-pso-ultima-favor-solo-or-multiplayer/ We already know that most players prefer that the game favors multiplayer over solo, so having individual drops would help with that. I'm really tired of soloing most of the time. I want to play multiplayer and not have the game punish me for it. I'm not sure this is accurate but I heard that the reason Larva is against having individual drops is because he doesn't want to change PSO from how Sega did it. Ignoring all of the other changes that have been made on this server, if you look at PSU and PSO2, we know that Sega thinks that PSO's default drop system is inferior. It's safe to assume that Sega themselves would have eventually implemented a better drop system if they stuck with PSO for longer.