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I'm having the most trouble to hunt these guys on Ultimate, on the MA4DMD quest. I'm generally asking for tips/ good weapons to use against situations. HU's are terrible for multihitting zu's, and a lot of other things, so here's how I try to cope. 1. 4 Zu's spawn. I run forward so I can only aggro 1. I spam last swan to kill it. Drag the next and kill, very slow, takes 3-5 minutes. 2. 3 Astarks and 2 dorphons spawn. At this point i'm hanging back and usually drag a Dorphon and an Astark. How to kill these 2: I freeze the Astark w/ a trap, while getting pommeled by the Dorphon left and right. I use a seize 35% raygun to paralyze the Dorphon for 10 seconds, then I use a demon raygun or meteor cudgel to kill it. Not bad, but is HORRIFIC if there are 2+ monsters. 3. 2 Zu's, a dorphon, and the Booma equivalent ep 4 monsters spawn. I run away and fight 1 at a time, usually doesn't work so I just spam freeze traps and whatnot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It takes about 15 minutes to get through 3 or 4 waves of MA4DMD. Thats about 4 to 5 Dorphons every 15 minutes. Extremely slow soloing. -Confuse traps are bad in this quest because with the # of mobs, one WILL hit you. -Twin blaze doesn't work with 4 Zu's. No, it doesn't. How on earth is Oran HU a good idea to hunt for Lame D's? I would have preferred a FO that can multihit a hundred things on Ult. -Without shifta/deband and zalure/jellen, soloing this is even worse. What am I doing wrong? I have a BOVN, 2 cent/abils, 2 H/arms, or a smartlink, or a v502. I miss half the time paralyzing and demon'ing (on third hit). ~300 ATA w/ demon raygun.