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  1. Happy birthday Malxerz! c:

  2. Here's the entry Shoutgu and I did. The first phase of Vol Opt went really poorly because I messed up but w/e. We got through it >.> GCs tru1 42144568 Shoutgu 42124110 Time 16'28 Love degree 67%
  3. Use whatever example you want. Things don't sell back for the full amount you invest in them. If you think they lose value by 5-10 percent of what you invest in them. No exceptions. Then that's fine, I'm not gonna try to change your mind. But I will tell you that's not the way things work. Look at transactions and that will indicate otherwise. Some weapons only lose a little bit of value (5-10%) and others lose more. The fact of the matter is if you look at what things actually sell for, and people actually buy for, they are much more in line with the way I value items then how you value them, and there's insurmountable evidence to prove that. You're not giving someone "good advice" by telling them that TJS is worth 100-150 pds. They'll waste their time if they try to buy for that, and they'll waste their item if they end up selling for that. This thread is to indicate what the prices of items are now. As in if you want to buy something, and if you wanted to sell something, what are reasonable expectations for prices. These prices are based off my experiences in the market and actual transactions that have occurred. Not like your prices where you just guess based off your opinion. What you think it should be valued at. You say "Well people are overselling/underselling and overbuying". That doesn't help people. If literally everyone on the server is buying TJS for more than 100-150 pds and everyone is selling TJS for more than 100-150 pds then it's worth more than 100-150 pds right now.
  4. I'm not saying stats don't affect value at all. I'm saying that when you invest in weapons you're unlikely to get your full investment back, and for some weapons the return on investment can be harsher than others. Psycho Raven is a bit of an anomaly because there's no other event weapon that is that easy to get while being that effective and blank. It's similar to when you buy a car. If you buy a new car the second you take it off the lot and drive it a few miles the value goes down tremendously. Is that fair? No not really, but that's how it is. The same is even true with a used car. If you buy a used car off craiglist for $8,000 then you decide you don't like the tires and buy nicer tires for it that's not gonna increase the value of your vehicle by the amount of the tires. If the tires that were on it were worth $100 a piece and the tires you put on it were worth $500 a piece that doesn't mean the car is worth $10,100. People just want the car, and they would rather buy the $8,000 car with $100 wheels then buying the exact same car with $600 wheels for $10,000 That's common sense. The value of your car may increase with nicer tires, but not for the full amount you invested in them. Try selling anything back. In most situations it's worth less. It's one thing if you think my valuation on certain weapons with added stats is too harsh. It's another thing if you think the weapon is worth (and will sell) for the full price you invested in it plus the base price of the weapon. That's what your price checks indicate. Common sense dictates otherwise. As does numerous transactions throughout PSO history.
  5. I would say it mostly has to do with the fact that people like having the freedom to use their dts for what they want. In the case of maxed weapon I can definitely understand why they would be valued less because you can't move stats of maxed weapons so if you get a machine+dark SOV when you wanted a Native+A beast SOV (because you intended to use it against bosses like Gol Dragon, Gal Griff and De Rol Lie), you wouldn't want to pay as much for it. In the case of Type weapons (and other weapons you're forced to find blank) let's say someone is selling an 80 hit Charge Type ME Mechgun for 85 dts (60 for hit+15 for me mech+10 for charge special), even if you did want a Charge ME mechgun with hit you may not wanna invest the full amount to make it 80 hit immediately, and by not buying that one, you would have the option of shopping around trying to find a cheaper blank type me mechgun. I do see what you're saying how the return on investment can be harsh sometimes, and it some ways it seems harsher than it should be, but the fact is; you have to find someone who wants the exact weapons with the exact stats you invested in, even then, they could just invest in it themselves and have the freedom of increasing the stats and hit when they want, how they want, and most of the time, you're not gonna find someone who wants the exact weapon with the exact stats you have when you want to sell it, so you lose money by selling it cheaper so you can invest in a weapon you do want. It would be wise to trade a weapon someone invested a certain amount in, for a weapon you invested the same amount in that you want, but unfortunately, things don't often work out that way. (Except in the case of dark weapons). There's also the case of bad investments. If you max out some not-so-good weapon lets say demolition comet. You don't deserve getting the full amount you invested back because that weapon (even maxed) is outclassed by black king bar (and others).
  6. I assume you're referring to this http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/25975-official-ultima-price-check-thread/?p=149379 and this http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/25975-official-ultima-price-check-thread/?p=148913 ? That was 40 dark not 40 hit. Maybe 25-30 dts instead of 20-25 dts would've been a more fair assessment. PBC used to be around 10-15 dts but when there are considerably less they start selling for 20+. People aren't gonna pay significantly more for one with 40 dark (even though that 40 dark had to be invested in), because they just want the weapon. It's similar to dark weapons. Let's say the going rate for DM is 300. People aren't likely to buy a maxed DM for 365 dts because they really just want the weapon. Obviously stats matter, but a RAmar without DM is gonna be significantly less effective than a RAmar with DM. I would say if a newer player wanted a PR for their HUcast (which makes a big difference on how effective they are) and they had a choice to buy a PR for 20 dts or one with 40 dark for 37 dts (almost twice the price), they would pick the first one and save their money to invest in other things.
  7. Obviously you're not gonna get your full investment back when you invest in a weapon. A maxed PR isn't gonna be worth the entire amount of DTs you invested plus the price of PBC. The fact you think that shows you don't know anything about prices and that you can't handle pricing.
  8. Everyone knows you have no idea about prices so I have no idea why you even bother posting.
  9. That's fair. HUcaseal makes better use of Last Swan than any other class imo and considering the fact that HUcaseal is a high tier class it would make since to value it higher. I'll take that into consideration.
  10. Lmfao. By that logic all black paper 1 drops should be worth the same. T>Phoenix Claw for Last Swan -griffeni logic 40 pds
  11. I don't think a monthly charge would be good for this server because there's a lot of people who occasionally become inactive for a month or so. I've done that before, then I wouldn't feel like I'm getting anything for the monthly service. I would cancel and then I wouldn't have the incentive to start paying again. What got me back into the game was trying it out again after a month. I didn't know if I was gonna enjoy it after a month break or not, but I did. In addition, there are people who have been on this server for 3+ years who just log in occasionally and they surely wouldn't continue paying for 3 years straight. In additon, there are other servers who don't charge nor give donation incentives. I do see what you're saying though.
  12. I agree. Since dts are tradeable you can pretty much buy any item in the game with any stats you want. If you're willing to pay that much. Dts shouldn't be infinitely powerful like that. I think it would be better if they weren't tradable, and the donation list was adjusted so the prices made since and maybe they could add a few more things on there for people who are too lazy to hunt for certain things. Then let us add hit with pds. But I doubt that'll happen. It doesn't make much of a difference to me.
  13. I don't think you necessarily need crimson coat. Overall, it's not gonna make a noticeable difference most of the time.
  14. There are alot more dts in circulation. There's around the same amount of pds in circulation. People like using pds to buy items that are worth less than 1 dt. That's the main reason. Lemon is the only one making sense on this thread >.>
  15. Happy birthday Mizuty! c:

  16. Master Raven 1-3 pds Last Swan 3-4 pds
  17. Without hit lame is 10-15 pds unless it has really good stats. With hit it's much more. It depends on how much hit though. It also greatly depends on the other stats, since excal is a weapon that benefits greatly from stats. 1 pd each (at most)
  18. I can get online when I'm asked to for the most part.
  19. In general I would say a maxed SOV would be 135 dts but it seems the price is going up so I guess you could go as high 150+ dts each Last Swan 0/0/0/0/30 15 dts Vjaya maxed 75 dts That's a pretty good idea. I've added all the price checks I've done in this thread to the main post. http://www.phantasystaronline.net/forum/index.php/topic/25975-official-ultima-price-check-thread/?p=147269
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